christine is with us in washington. your thoughts here. >> caller: hi, christine. well, actually, i have a cousin that was injected by a heroin user -- not a user but a dealer. and he was killed. and right now they are going through -- i mean, he is going to court. they are taking the dealer to court and they're holding him responsible. so i think that this is just wrong, period, because no matter what pamphlet you handout, they're still going to inject these kids and they're going to inject themselves and they're still going to have overdoses no matter what. >> eric, i'll let you tangle that one. and it's just because in the sense, when we heard it in the package, that there's no safe way to use heroin and it can be deadly. go ahead. >> that's correct, there is no safe way. but there are safer ways. and what this is is education. the problem in new york is both on the individual level with people, over 70% is heroin overdoses. there's a major spread of hiv and hepatitis as you said in the previous segment. to ignore that is denialism, like denying gravity exists.